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	<title>Comments on: Body/Language: An Interview with Shen and Jonathan Wonham</title>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 08:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I almost majored in geology. I&#039;ve always loved the idea of rock as text - here in east, a generally hidden text that must be inferred from railway and highway cuts. Studying geology, one feels almost like a Kabbalist.

What is it about rock and stone that so fascinates poets? Back around 1980, a critic named James Atlas penned a widely quoted critique pointing out that contemporary American poetry is identifiable by two dominant images, stones and bones. I was just reading a book of interviews with and criticism by Charles Simic (The Uncertain Certainty), in which he responds this way: &quot;I think the impression Atlas gives is that stones are included simply for decoration. But I think people have written genuinely about stones and are interested in a stone as the utmost kind of presence. A stone is the uttermost limit; there&#039;s nothing beyond stone. It&#039;s an object of incredible interest and variety. I like stones. I love stones. Stone is so alient to us, distant from us, that any attempt to speak across that distance is interesting.&quot;

That quote also suggest to me why it&#039;s so interesting when poets make the effort to incorporate language and imagery from the sciences: it&#039;s a key part of a broader cultural effort to restore a sense of at-homeness in the universe, by enacting originary encounters with matter as, in some sense, mysterious and alive.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost majored in geology. I&#8217;ve always loved the idea of rock as text &#8211; here in east, a generally hidden text that must be inferred from railway and highway cuts. Studying geology, one feels almost like a Kabbalist.</p>
<p>What is it about rock and stone that so fascinates poets? Back around 1980, a critic named James Atlas penned a widely quoted critique pointing out that contemporary American poetry is identifiable by two dominant images, stones and bones. I was just reading a book of interviews with and criticism by Charles Simic (The Uncertain Certainty), in which he responds this way: &#8220;I think the impression Atlas gives is that stones are included simply for decoration. But I think people have written genuinely about stones and are interested in a stone as the utmost kind of presence. A stone is the uttermost limit; there&#8217;s nothing beyond stone. It&#8217;s an object of incredible interest and variety. I like stones. I love stones. Stone is so alient to us, distant from us, that any attempt to speak across that distance is interesting.&#8221;</p>
<p>That quote also suggest to me why it&#8217;s so interesting when poets make the effort to incorporate language and imagery from the sciences: it&#8217;s a key part of a broader cultural effort to restore a sense of at-homeness in the universe, by enacting originary encounters with matter as, in some sense, mysterious and alive.</p>
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		<title>By: leslee</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 07:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Ivy! I read this but want to come back and digest it more later - very interesting. The part about the difference between what&#039;s true in poetry vs. what&#039;s true in science reminded me of a discussion I had recently regarding what&#039;s true in autobiographical writing - what&#039;s emotionally true vs. what&#039;s factually true. Poetry can be a way to disguise personal facts and in the process get more accurate about emotions.

This discussion also reminds me of the Uruguayan singer-songwriter Jorge Drexler (won an Oscar for the best original song for the movie, The Motorcycle Diaries). He was an medical doctor before he became a musician full time. Some of his lyrics (en español) incorporate science in a poetic way. He was interviewed (in English) on NPR last year - I posted about it: &lt;a href=&quot;http://3rdhouseparty.typepad.com/blog/2005/05/science_and_poe.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://3rdhouseparty.typepad.com/blog/2005/05/science_and_poe.html&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ivy! I read this but want to come back and digest it more later &#8211; very interesting. The part about the difference between what&#8217;s true in poetry vs. what&#8217;s true in science reminded me of a discussion I had recently regarding what&#8217;s true in autobiographical writing &#8211; what&#8217;s emotionally true vs. what&#8217;s factually true. Poetry can be a way to disguise personal facts and in the process get more accurate about emotions.</p>
<p>This discussion also reminds me of the Uruguayan singer-songwriter Jorge Drexler (won an Oscar for the best original song for the movie, The Motorcycle Diaries). He was an medical doctor before he became a musician full time. Some of his lyrics (en español) incorporate science in a poetic way. He was interviewed (in English) on NPR last year &#8211; I posted about it: <a href="http://3rdhouseparty.typepad.com/blog/2005/05/science_and_poe.html" rel="nofollow">http://3rdhouseparty.typepad.com/blog/2005/05/science_and_poe.html</a></p>
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